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Friday, May 31st 2024
by TheLostSwedeDiscuss (54 Comments)
Although it has been rumoured for a little while now that AMD might be launching Ryzen 5000XT CPUs, that rumour just got some added fuel to the fire courtesy of @CodeCommando_ on X/Twitter. The leaker provided a somewhat pixelated screenshot of two new AM4 CPUs, namely the Ryzen 9 5900XT and the Ryzen 7 5800XT. This is one less CPU compared to the Ryzen 3000XT series that AMD launched in 2020 and it looks like the benefits on offer are similar as well. Both chips are 105 Watt parts and have a maximum boost speed of 4.8 GHz, but this is where the similarities end. The Ryzen 9 5900XT has a rather odd SKU name, as it has the same max boost clock as the Ryzen 9 5900X, but the same core and cache count as the Ryzen 5950X.
The Ryzen 7 5800XT on the other hand is a pretty straightforward 100 MHz higher clock speed SKU over the Ryzen 7 5800X, which makes one wonder why AMD even bothered. According to VideoCardz, we're looking at a US$359 MSRP for the Ryzen 9 5900XT, with the Ryzen 7 5800XT coming in at US$249, making both a potentially interesting enough upgrade option for someone that is still using an older AM4 CPU. The pricing and CPU details are said to have been revealed at a pre-Computex media briefing, so it's highly likely that the information is correct. Both chips are said to hit retail in July.
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PumperLower prices will happen naturally when Zen5 is released and Zen4 gets discounted.As for the 5900XT - the naming makes no sense, they should have just released it as 5950 with no letters attached instead.
Whether it was meant to leave room for another SKU or not, it's giving me false hope for a 5950XT3D :rolleyes:
Well this seems unnecessary. I was hoping for a "X3DXT" to run this AM4-build to it's grave.
Weird, with the embedded line extended i would have figured they would launch some lower clocked very power efficient ones with a green label or something.
They just need to release a 12core and 16core X3D chip to finish off the AM4 socket and call it a day.
Waste of sand.
Now, at one point everyone called Intel "wasting sand", and now AMD follows them doing this.
I mean, it's alright to give AM4 another last Hurrah!! but this one isn't looking like a "good" one..just a 5950X re-badge..
RootinTootinPootinNow, at one point everyone called Intel "wasting sand", and now AMD follows them doing this.I mean, it's alright to give AM4 another last Hurrah!! but this one isn't looking like a "good" one..just a 5950X re-badge..
I'm really curious to what's happening at AMD because even though they're riding high these past few years these decisions they've been making can be categorized as missteps.
TotallyI'm really curious to what's happening at AMD because even though they're riding high these past few years these decisions they've been making can be categorized as missteps.
Totally agree with you, I mean they got every product stack in the market occupied with solutions from AM5 and AM4, there's no way to miss any AMD product at every price point.
RootinTootinPootinTotally agree with you, I mean they got every product stack in the market occupied with solutions from AM5 and AM4, there's no way to miss any AMD product at every price point.
You mean a compromise at every price point. To elaborate with AMD now, there isn't a product that checks all the boxes any more and a fair price, something's always missing and to get that something you have to set up to the next product in the stack paying $$$ the the thing you want and a bunch of other things you don't. From top to bottom it's like that. I missed the days where the there was the all rounder the did everything well enough and if you wanted more or extras there were options.
Really, no 3D parts!? Who would want that?
I get they're using AM4 as the entry level with ever lower prices, but for it to be worth it, it needs to be X3D chips, otherwise they're simply not worth buying. DDR5 is not super expensive anymore and the king 7800x3d is not uncommon to be found at 350$. They're also selling the AM5 Epycs as low as 150$ probably gatekeeped to enterprise boards but that they could easily sell to consumers with the flick of a switch, keeping AM4 alive for anything but the X3D chips makes no sense and even then...
I love AM4 and have no plans to upgrade but it's probably time to let it die instead of making a mockery of the legacy of what problably stands as the greatest PC platform ever made, obviously it's out performed and out dated now but what a ride!
trsttteReally, no 3D parts!? Who would want that
You don't need X3D parts to play games :cool:
freeagentYou don't need X3D parts to play games :cool:
You don't need it but it definitely gives a big boost espeically in the 1% lows
freeagentYou don't need X3D parts to play games :cool:
Sure but why would you buy an AM4 processor that's not an X3D part right now? Even the 5800x3d is selling for 270€ in mindfactory and amazon before they ran out of stock, the 5700x3d is at 210€, who would buy a 250€ 5800xt? Doesn't make much sense
trsttteSure but why would you buy an AM4 processor that's not an X3D part right now? Even the 5800x3d is selling for 270€ in mindfactory and amazon before they ran out of stock, the 5700x3d is at 210€, who would buy a 250€ 5800xt? Doesn't make much sense
I play at 4K, so X3D does not really help me too much. My CPU is not running @ stock like reviewers run.
I have a few AM4 CPUs, including 58X3D.
freeagentI play at 4K, so X3D does not really help me too much. My CPU is not running @ stock like reviewers run.I have a few AM4 CPUs, including 58X3D.
I ran 4K and UW 1440P
I had a 5800X and never ran stock( since around launch. Great CPU don’t get me wrong but I ended up giving it away to a friend and got a 5700X3D. Every game I played got a performance boost. But the most noticeable was the lows. For example in Warzone with the 5800X I saw dips into the 60s and 70s but with the 5700X3D I never once saw below 100 FPS. And that goes for all games I play. It made games so much smoother.
freeagentYou don't need X3D parts to play games :cool:
So true the difference between the 5700X I have had since june of 22 and what the X3D version they came out with is not much different in gaming benchmarks.
freeagentI play at 4K, so X3D does not really help me too much. My CPU is not running @ stock like reviewers run.I have a few AM4 CPUs, including 58X3D.
4K is a GPU-starved resolution, you can run any game with a six core and there won't be a difference higher than 5% than the fastest Core-i9 or Ryzen X3D CPUs.
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/18.html
amd64skaterSo true the difference between the 5700X I have had since june of 22 and what the X3D version they came out with is not much different in gaming benchmarks.
Not true. Ryzen 7 5800X3D is considerably faster than the non-X3D Ryzen 7.
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/15.html
ARF4K is a GPU-starved resolution, you can run any game with a six core and there won't be a difference higher than 5% than the fastest Core-i9 or Ryzen X3D CPUs.
This is what I was tying to get at. Under 4K for sure, there is a huge bump. Same with 1080p. But I dont care about those, I care about 4K, and I only need 60FPS because I use vsync on my TV.
ARF4K is a GPU-starved resolution, you can run any game with a six core and there won't be a difference higher than 5% than the fastest Core-i9 or Ryzen X3D CPUs.
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/18.htmlNot true. Ryzen 7 5800X3D is considerably faster than the non-X3D Ryzen 7.
www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/15.html
That's for the 5800X3D. I was talking about the 5700X3D. Of course the 5800X3D is better than the plain 5700X.
amd64skaterThat's for the 5800X3D. I was talking about the 5700X3D. Of course the 5800X3D is better than the plain 5700X.
5700X3D still beats the 5800X
Durvelle27You don't need it but it definitely gives a big boost espeically in the 1% lows
This. 100 times over, this.
I went from a 5600 to a 5800X3D while still on a Vega 10 16GB card. My 1% lows improved w/ the X3D chip.
Also IIRC, the X3Ds will often have better 0.1% and 1% lows, even when beat overall in averages and peaks.
I've not seen any testing done yet, but I suspect X3D CPUs see some system latency improvements as well.
(I don't frequent digital musician forums much, which is where that kind of testing is common/important.
Last I recall, folks were still building dedicated Ivy Bridge systems for such, due to the lowest overall sys latency.)
7th year of support for AM4 and there are people that are negative to that? Where is any con of that I wonder...
1) They are ready to launch next hen Zen5 CPUs for AM5, so that isn't affected by AM4 continued support at all.
2) They just started naming XT the X models due to being produced with better efficiency (higher clocked for the same wattage) and will be sold for the same money. Nothing extreme. I prefer that to 12900K->12900KS->13900K->13900KS->14900K for the same exact chips only because of production making them a bit better every few months and pushing wattage to the max.
HD64G7th year of support for AM4 and there are people that are negative to that? Where is any con of that I wonder...
AM4 is still the best option given the super low cost to own it, plus the very good performance. You get PCIe 4.0 which is quite enough and you don't need anything more, really.
I guess people should be negative about the whole PC landscape. Because Microsoft Windows 10/11 is stuck somewhere around year 2010, and doesn't improve.
I mean, I know that everyone, even those with dual cores and quad cores should be able to game, but come on... it's not normal that in 2024 there isn't a single PC game which requires a fast CPU to run optimally at 4K. Basically, the games at 4K have no specific requirement about the CPU... whatever you put, the result would be more or less the same.
A game at 4K - CPU load remains around 10%, maybe 15%. Then, why should AMD care to release new CPUs, to begin with?
HD64G2) They just started naming XT the X models due to being produced with better efficiency (higher clocked for the same wattage) and will be sold for the same money.
But it's the opposite for the 5900XT, which is lower clocked 5950X. AMD is just messing up with core naming convention for no reason. Should have been 5950.
Durvelle275700X3D still beats the 5800X
Durvelle275700X3D still beats the 5800X
In certain games the X3D is killer in games but in other games they are so close. It just depends on the game.
